Wednesday, July 8, 2009

Prognosis: Asshole

Kathy never quite fit the profile of your stereotypical corn-fed back-country female teenager.

While her overfed and under-educated high school girlfriends expelled a nearly constant stream of undernourished infants onto the floorboards of the town welfare office, Kathy chose to focus on her classwork in hopes of escaping the fate that befell so many generations before her.

Kathy wanted to attend college, move to the big city, and live the life most people in her hometown had only dreamed of. To achieve her goal, Kathy made a promise to her older sister that she would not have sex, drink or do drugs until she graduated from high school.

Kathy succeeded in her mission, and eventually found herself accepted to a number of out-of-state universities. She chose to attend a prestigious college nearly 1000 miles from her hometown, and couldn't wait for her new life to begin.

The hardest part?

Dumping her current boyfriend. "I told Chris I would have sex with him once I graduated but when it came down to it, he wasn't the guy I wanted to lose my virginity to," explains Kathy.

Kathy revoked his HymenPass© and set off for her college dorm, where she placed it a small glass case labelled "Break For Chiseled Buns Only."

Now, Kathy admits that while she was both excited and apprehensive about finally losing her virginity, she wasn't exactly going to give herself away to the first guy she saw. She wanted the right guy.

Kathy joined a sorority at her new college, providing her with ample opportunity to meet plenty of young fraternity men. She started drinking on weekends, hooked up with a few guys, made a lot of friends, but didn't really find anyone intriguing enough to sleep with.

Two months into her first semester, however, she found Todd.

Kathy describes him as gorgeous, charming, and really funny. "When he finally asked me out on a date, I knew he was going to be the guy." (Insert your own pre-teen, mall-style girlish giggles here.)

Todd didn't have much money, so on their first date he invited Kathy over to his room. When Kathy arrived, she found candles on his coffee table and Todd working a hot plate. "He made me what he called 'Todd Ramen.' It was really good and he was being so cute about it because he kept making jokes about how broke he was. I didn't care."

After dinner, Todd and Kathy started getting all hot and heavy on the couch in a manner you might expect from a couple of hot, young, nubile college undergrads, ever anxious to explore each other's tight, beautiful, firm bodies during the prime years of their lives.*

*Assholes

Ultimately however, Kathy didn't close the deal that first night. During a brief intermission in Act III of Fondle Me Gently, Todd asked Kathy "why she was so nervous." Kathy reluctantly admitted she was still a virgin and she wasn't quite sure if she was ready to have sex with him just yet.

Of course Todd was very supportive and understanding, so, according to Kathy, they "watched a movie for the rest of the night."

What movie, Kathy?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Anyway, Todd and Kathy resumed their "relationship." They hung out frequently, met for lunch on campus, and often studied together. Kathy says she still wasn't quite ready to sleep with Todd just yet, but ultimately she knew she would when she felt comfortable. She really liked him. A lot.

But it sounds like Todd began losing his patience.

Todd seemed nice about it the first few times, but eventually he started getting testy when Kathy turned him down, as evidenced by this summarized chat snippet :

Kathy: (why are you) mad at me?

Todd: not mad i dont understand you

Kathy: ?

Todd: ????????

Kathy: what

Todd: why you always stop


Kathy: sorry

Todd: i still want to be with you

Kathy: (you are) with me

Todd: you know what (I) mean

Kathy was ready though, and decided the time had come for Todd to go where no man had gone before.

Todd had invited Kathy to one of their big fraternity theme date parties, and Kathy decided that would be a good night to lose her virginity to Todd. She prepared for the evening the same way every woman prepares to lose her virginity, which I imagine involves the copious application of some type of floral-scented genital powder that comes in a fancy-pants little tin with a mermaid on it.

Kathy got to the party and found Todd pretty drunk already. Kathy began drinking heavily herself, and before you knew it they were already back in Todd's room going at it hot and heavy, much to the chagrin of a certain fraternity couch.

Needless to say, the sex was absolutely amazing.*

*in the same way food poisoning is "amazing"

"It took forever and it was painful," says Kathy, adding "he was a pretty big guy."

Todd eventually got up and put his clothes back on. "Let's go back to the party," he told Kathy, and out the door he went without waiting for her.

That was it.

Kathy put her clothes back on and went back to the party. She only spoke to Todd a few more times that evening, and ended up leaving early to take a sick sorority sister home.

From that point forward, Todd began giving Kathy the cold shoulder. He rarely answered her texts, and always had excuses as to why he couldn't meet up with her. She'd drop by his fraternity and he'd say he was "busy." After a couple of weeks, Todd stopped responding to Kathy altogether. Through a sorority sister, Kathy eventually learned Todd had been pursuing another girl in a different sorority.

Kathy was devastated, and admits she might have gone a little overboard at first with the calls, emails and late-night texts to Todd. But she missed him terribly. She missed his cologne, she missed his smile, she missed her period, she missed his laugh, and she missed his .....

Whoa ... what? Rewind.

Kathy missed her period.

And a pregnancy test confirmed her worst fears.*

* "bees" fell to #2

Kathy initially tried calling Todd to tell him the news, but he wouldn't answer his phone. He wouldn't answer his texts either, so Kathy had to do it the hard way. She'd just text him the news.

"I'm pregnant," she texted.

Todd didn't reply for over an hour, when Kathy finally got this response:

"why are you telling me?"

Enraged, Kathy texted back and received no response.

Later that night, Kathy found the following email in her inbox from Todd.

Take it away, you big charmer:

When someone doesn't answer your texts and doesn't reply to your facebook emails, it means to stop texting me. Now your being plain stupid.

Even if I were to believe you were pregnant it couldnt be me (I don't believe you just so you know but I think we both know you aren't) For the sake of argument I did not come inside you. So how could I have gotten you pregnant? Maybe you should think about our history before you accuse me of getting you pregnant? Quit being so desperate

How many other guys you have slept with, maybe you should ask them Kathy? You play miss innocent virgin, but you shouldn't think I dont know you better now. Maybe I should talk to XXXXX or XXXXX at (fraternity redacted). Should I go on? Or should I embarass you more then you are already? Because I will if you want to keep sending me threats. I already showed XXXXXXX and XXXXXX your texts.

Maybe you should find something better to do with your time, accusing me of pregnancy is the dumbest thing you could have done and now you've pushed my buttons too far. If you don't get it I will gladly spell it out for you.

I didn't get you pregnant, and you might think if you keep calling me or texting me that I will meet with you again, but you are wrong.

The more you text me the more you annoy me and I think youre going to be a stalker which you already are, so if you want me to respect you, you would stop texting me.

Grow up and move on!

Quit e-mailing me and texting me or I will file harassment charges against you with [redacted]

Todd

In her letter to PLFM, Kathy responds:

"The two [fraternity redacted] guys he's referring to I didn't do anything with other than make out a little, and Todd knew that. He was the only guy I EVER slept with at that point."

So in a nutshell, Todd knew Kathy was a virgin when he slept with her. Then he accuses her of making up a pregnancy story to get his attention. But then he pulls a 180 and accuses her of getting pregnant by whoring it up like all those recently de-flowered virgin hookers do.

Anyway, Todd didn't respond to Kathy that evening, and she ended up breaking out into hysterics with a large group of her sorority sisters.

The next day, a sorority "strike force" confronted Todd on campus on behalf of Kathy. Kathy's sorority sisters helped Todd understand that, in no uncertain terms, he had impregnated Kathy. If he felt otherwise, he certainly might find his balls in a jar on a shelf somewhere in the medical lab.

Todd apparently came to his senses. Full of regret and feeling badly for the manner in which he had treated Kathy, Todd sat down and wrote a long, beautiful email, baring his soul to Kathy and waxing eloquently about his poor behavior.

Well, not quite.

This is actually what he wrote her:

Kathy

Do what you have to do and I'll pay my half.

Nice, Todd. Very deep.

We're going to end our story there, folks, but we can tell you Todd fulfilled his promise and left the next semester to a different school. Kathy obviously hasn't heard from him since. Thankfully.

Now, Kathy acknowledged in her letter the tremendous stupidity of not using birth control and realizes she'll probably get bashed for it in the comments, but I'm just throwing it out there so you guys know.

196 comments:

  1. Sorry to hear things turned out like that, Kathy. You're certainly not the first, nor will you be the last, person to have a college experience go badly.

    I like the asterik commentary, Weasel. Nice touch.

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  3. No bashing. It's pretty much impossible NOT to do stupid things in college, and some of us are bound to be unlucky.

    Yes, it was a stupid thing not to use protection, but that in no way excuses his behavior after the fact. In this case, "You're better off without him," while true, isn't really sufficient. He left his mark in several ways.

    Kathy, good luck out there. Whatever path you chose in the aftermath, I wish you well.

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  4. Kathy,

    I'm sorry your first time ended up that way. But you live, you learn.. But give yourself SOME credit..how could you possiby know he was a flaming pussy? I like the sorority sisters!!
    Best of luck to you!

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  5. I know this comment is getting redundant, but:

    What a douche.

    "why are you telling me?"

    Seriously? Douche.

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  6. Ech - that's why youth is wasted on the young. Fresh, toned bodies, insatiable sex drives, and the collective intelligence of a jar of dead gnats.

    No one could blame Kathy for any of this, and I'm glad she had enough of a support system in her sorority sisters to confront this dick and put him in his place.

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  7. Blah blah blah, use birth control, blah blah blah... alright, it was said.

    My question?

    Is she/did she "do what she has to" like he indicated, or will their be a little baby he'll need to "pay half" for?

    *shrugs*

    Probably a little vengeful bitchy comment, but I'm okay with that.

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  8. Wow...maybe it's just me, but this whole situation from every single angle is just sad. It's depressing that Kathy felt a need to lose her virginity (as a young person myself I don't understand the need to do so with such zeal), it is horrible that Todd treated her like a piece of garbage, like an object, and it's sad that Todd actually suggested an abortion was the best option here. Why pay for his mistakes when he has an easy way out...what a jerk.

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  9. I really doubt Kathy needs us to tell her it was a bad idea to have sex unprotected.

    Instead, I'll just give a "good luck" to Kathy, I suppose.

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  10. I can't wait for the day we throw out the concept of PIV virginity as something to "give away" or a "prize to be won" by drunk asshole fraternity dudes who think that Todd Ramen and a few nice dates is payment for the pleasure of PIV sex.

    9 times out of 10, the "first time" for a woman is painful and slightly unpleasant. The fact that Todd just shoved it in there and left is more telling to me than the emails themselves, which just confirmed the fact that he is, indeed, a huge douche.

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  11. I've never had a really high regard for sororities, but after reading this, I'm willing to have my mind changed. That's fantastic.

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  12. I was a bit older than Kathy when I lost my virginity, to I thought, a wonderful man at the time. We did use protection, but he couldn't understand why I was uncomfortable for a few days after that--charming.
    Kathy is better off w/o this douche, gotta love her sorority sisters :)

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  13. Everyone does stupid things in college. Cathy's stupid thing was Todd. My stupid thing was Kevin. It's college! We think we go to get smarter, but it is actually a place where we go to do dumb things which will make us smarter in the future. While I am always pro-birth control, Cathy won't get any judgement from me.

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  14. Douchebag doesn't even begin to describe Todd. Leaving right after sex (the first time for her, no less)? "Do what you have to do and I'll pay half?"

    Stay classy, assclam.

    Kathy had one hell of a learning experience, for sure. I hope she updates as to how things are for her now. Hope they're good.

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  15. Everyone makes a few mistakes in life, and sometimes that includes overlooking precautions like birth control. (thankfully for my boyfriend and I, I'm on the pill for my terrible menstrual pain so I never really have to worry about it)

    It's annoying that guys think the only part they play in making babies is providing the sperm. I remember my friend Earl saying we would make beautiful babies, and it would "only take a few minutes." Umm, no, it takes nine months. Men are stupid like that.

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  16. Kathy what ever you decide its your choice. He's a jerk, cut your losses and go forward in life.

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  17. @ DothNotWisdomCryOut: Please don't generalize men. Douche's are stupid, sure, but there's a lot of good men that do the right thing; they're just hard to find. :)

    As for the story; Kathy, that sucks. I hope you'll successfully move on, and make your dream a reality.

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  18. I was impressed by the careful thought and planning by Kathy. Until you got to the part about making a baby. WTF?

    We often do something really really stupid before doing something smart.

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  19. No offense to Kathy (who I have all the sympathy in the world for) and PLENTY of offense to Todd (whom I have none), but I have to wonder about this in light of the other posts on here:

    Kathy was devastated, and admits she might have gone a little overboard at first with the calls, emails and late-night texts to Todd. But she missed him terribly. She missed his cologne, she missed his smile. . . she missed his laugh, and she missed his .....

    So why is it that when a woman does this it's sweet and romantic, but when men think like this, it's CREEPY/STALKERISH?

    I guess we still go by the antiquated notion that all women are sweet, sensitive creatures
    and all men are insenstive brutes without any feelings worth considering.

    Discuss. Let the flaming begin.

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  20. Wow. There's a lot of asshats out there, because I've heard this type of story more than once! Kathy, we're with ya.

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  21. Arathisiewen, you need to reread the story for comprehension.

    According to Weasie, Todd kept up his end of the bargain, which means he paid for half of the abortion.

    So no baby for Kathy in order to 'trap' Todd into paying child support for the next 18 years.

    Shit happens when we're young, because we're stupid. That's how we learn NOT to be stupid.

    Todd sounds like a douchenozzle, but I'm glad he at least ponied up his half of the money.

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  22. anon 10:12

    She'd just lost her virginity to him because he'd insisted that he wanted to be with her!

    Context, my dear, is awfully important...

    Now stop being an asshat!

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  23. Artemis-

    Sorry, "asshat" doesn't cut it in attempted intellectual discourse.

    I still think if the situations were reversed on here (minus the pregnancy, of course) there would be a lot of bashing on the male "Kathy" to "suck it up and not be a pussy".

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  24. Precisely, anonymous. Bitches be thinking every irrelevant contextual detail changes standards when it doesn't. And they only pick out these irrelevant mitigating circumstances one-sidedly. Logic is lost on their feeble minds.

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  25. Uh, "bitches be thinking"? I wasn't aware of calling anyone a bitch. Just pointing out some double standards here.

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  26. Looks like we have a wanna-be gangsta troll. Yawn.

    Yep, Kathy shouldn't have gone overboard with the texting, e-mails, and voice-mailing the guy. That was kind of stalkerish, and she ADMITTED that point.

    REAL stalkers don't think what they're doing is clingy, needy, and batshit crazy. Kathy at least knows what she did was borderline nutso.

    Todd DID need to know about the pregnancy though, even if he didn't want anything to do with it.

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  27. Obviously Todd was a douche, and I'm sure everybody else here can skewer him much better than I could. =D

    But! I have to disagree with the majority here.

    I'm not trying to be insensitive, because what Kathy had to go through must have been awful. And while I do agree that it may have been impossible for her to know what a jackass Todd was since he was lying to here, I don't think it's realistic to say she's not partially at fault.

    When the story starts with how she DIDN'T want to end up a young mother like so many other girls she knew, and yet did anyway, I don't know how everybody here can be chalking it up to a "common mistake." No way. The fact that she held out as long as she did disproves that. Ending up pregnant wasn't naive, it was just dumb (although I'll admit there's a fine line there).

    I think Kathy acknowledges this too, which is why she's not asking for any slack.

    It's more sad than anything, not only because of what Kathy had to suffer through, but also because an intelligent young lady held out for so long only to make a mistake she knew not to make. It's heartbreaking and tragic.

    I get it that everyone is going to make mistakes and have regrets. I'm not arguing that. I just think excusing it is not helpful. That just frees all of us ladies up to make more dumb mistakes because we know nobody will hold us responsible.

    It's "Oh, that happened and it sucked, but now you know better" vs. "whatever, everyone does it." The latter is not helpful and honestly a bit surprising coming from this audience.

    All of which is not to say it makes Todd any less of an assbag.

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  28. @ anon 10:12 and Artemis-

    I see where Anon 10:12 is coming from, but Artemis is right. Except for the name calling, of course.

    Her persistent contact was understandable. She dated him for a long time, with him insisting that he wanted to be with her, and when she gave him what he really wanted, he immediatly left and stopped contacting her. The difference is that most of us would react the same way she did. With the guys on this website, they start sending thousands of texts and emails after a few dates or even less, in situations where they shouldn't be so emotionally distressed.

    I like to think we'd have a little more sympathy for a guy who lost his virginity to the woman in the story, or one who accidently got a girl pregnant and honestly wanted to be involved.

    I'm not really postive of course, being that we've never had that situation on here, and I can't read the minds of every other poster, but that's what it seems like to me.

    Oh and, I don't think it was sweet and romantic so much as angry/sad/desperate, and given the women who visit this site, I think the last adjectives we're gonna throw out there are sweet and sensitive, haha. They seem to be a tough, self-sufficient lot of ladies.

    I think that was a valid question, and I hope you don't get totally flamed for it.

    Sorry for the long comment.

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  29. 'Dumping her current boyfriend. "I told Chris I would have sex with him once I graduated but when it came down to it, he wasn't the guy I wanted to lose my virginity to," explains Kathy.'

    Deal breaker! Deal breaker! BREAK A DEAL SPIN THE WHEEL!

    Sororities and fraternities ... really? Way to aim high, Kathy. Faggots never heard of birth control.

    Anonymous, Anonymous, DothNotWisdomCryOut, Mack Truck: "Everyone does stupid things in college."

    What a stupid little mantra. No, not "everyone" does stupid things in college. It's not a free pass to throw judgement out the window.

    "Everyone makes a few mistakes in life", etc
    Same thing.

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  30. Oh, and I totally agree with Sarah, she described my exact thoughts on Major Tool up there. Also BIRTH CONTROL RAWR.

    But she knows that, and hopefully will manage not to make this incredibly idiotic mistake again. I get the feeling she learned from this.

    - Anon 10:59

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  31. Wow, Anon 11:05, I didn't realize her high school boyfriend was entitled to her virginity.

    Yeah, she made some promises she shouldn't have, but that doesn't mean she has to do something she knows she'll regret for the rest of her life.

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  32. Other anonymous-

    You said it a lot better than I could have. And just because we haven't seen/heard of such creatures (men who lose their virginity to a woman who's just using him, and ones who honestly WANT to be involved) on this site, doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Checking the story again, we really don't know how long the two went out. But if it was a long time, and the genders were reversed, would we feel any sympathy for the man who was broken-hearted, or just bash him and tell him to "move on, loser!"?

    That being said, I'll also point out that my questions do not IN ANY WAY, say that I don't have sympathy for Kathy and loathing for Todd. OF COURSE I do! I just read that point of the story about her texting, etc. and the question popped in my head.

    Anon 10:12 (since that seems to be my screen name on here). : )

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  33. @ Anon 10:12

    Women only do that after a relationship, however short, in which they felt the other person cared for them, and then that person just disappears without so much as a text.

    I should know, its happened to me.

    For the record, its so rude to ignore someone till they 'get the hint' especially if you were giving them redhot signals up until that point.

    Todd is a dickface, Kathy, just be happy in the knowledge he will more than likely never be happy and die old and alone, hopefully with like 8 cats to eat his face once he passes.

    Keep writing, Weas (",)

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  34. Anon11:05, I'm glad you're so perfect that you've NEVER made any mistakes or stupid decisions. Somehow, I think that's not the case.

    EVERYONE makes mistakes in life. Every. Single. Person.

    No, Kathy shouldn't have had sex with Todd w/o using some sort of birth control, but she did. She's not asking for sympathy about that, and I'll give her none.

    As far as expecting her to use 'common sense', yep, she missed out on that too. I'm sure you've done many, many things you were told not to, and even knew that you shouldn't have, based on what you've been taught and how you understand the concepts of right, wrong, and stupid decision making.

    Nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes. We all do stupid shit.

    Most of us learn from our mistakes, and don't do that particular stupid thing again. For those that are incapable of learning, they'll repeat their insanities forever, and for that I have no sympathy.

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  35. P.S.--Todd's still a fucking douchebag assclam for lying to her, and then treating her like dirt once he got his nut off.

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  36. Choices...Everyone has them. Life is full of choices. She chose to lose her virginity to a man...wait a boy in a fraternity that was good looking and drunk. Lesson learned, good looking does not mean a worthwhile experience in the bedroom. Drunk is no way to go your first time.
    On a sidenote: Men should have to take a high school class on how to treat virgins, the benefits of the big O, before intercourse.

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  37. E.E.-

    My point exactly! And it's happened to me, too. Obviously. : /

    How do we know that some of these men discussed on here haven't been up and left behind after receiving "red-hot signals" without a by-you-leave and REALLY would like to know the answer why?

    Then there is, of course, Todd and the various nut bags like the one who considered himself a model of restraint for not running his ex over with his car, and then asking if they wanted to go out again.

    So YEAH, there are genuine asshats and headcases out there. I just hate to see all men painted with the same brush because they have honest emotions for a woman.

    Anon 10:12

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  38. "Wow, Anon 11:05, I didn't realize her high school boyfriend was entitled to her virginity."

    No more than she's entitled to string along a fake boyfriend who'd otherwise leave her and get sex somewhere else.

    She doesn't want to be a teen pregnant failure so no sex like birth control doesn't exist? Abstinence works and is the healthiest way to address this, and that strategy won't burn out when everyone else has sex without problems? All that does is build a complex: sex = teen pregnancy and life failure. No surprise she has problems with sex even when she wants it! She probably tried to discourage herself from sex by not having birth control. Fail.

    That frat guy is fail, too, though a girl should know all fraternity brothers are classic douches.

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  39. hahaha!
    "floral-scented genital powder"
    Where can I get some!?

    Love the post Weasel.


    http://confessions-of-a-waitress.blogspot.com/

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  40. "Anon11:05, I'm glad you're so perfect that you've NEVER made any mistakes or stupid decisions. Somehow, I think that's not the case."

    Ad hominem. Excusing it and freeing someone from responsibility because of dumb, irrelevant reasons like "college", "everyone does it", "young people are stupid" is not helpful. It's idiotic.

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  41. Anon 12:24: Wow. That's all.

    Anon 12:33: That was hardly an ad hominem. You like throwing that around, don't you? So you are perfect and have never made a mistake? Or did you have very GOOD reasons for those mistakes; reasons that don't involve youth, college, alcohol, or everyone else doing it?

    I'm sorry, you were probably just a dumbass all on your own. Now that's ad hominem.

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  42. Wow, what an asshole. Well, what do you expect, it is college. It's full of assholes looking to get into girls' pants.

    My freshman year of college I dated a senior which I thought was "soooo coool" hah. He turned out to be a big jerk off. I waited a month before doing anything with him, then when I finally did he said "you need to go on birth control so I don't have to use a condom." Um excuse me?!!?

    Then he began trying to persuade me to have group sex with girls. LOLLL not gonna happen, buddy. Yeah, that relationship didn't last too long.

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  43. I'm not aware that anyone is excusing it. You're the only one belaboring that point and it's being used to muddy the waters, nothing more.

    Young people ARE stupid. Until someone gets experience, much of it bad because of the choices they make, they have no concept of what the consequences will be.

    That's neither fallacious nor idiotic, it's merely how the human animal works.

    I neither condone nor excuse mistakes or stupid decisions, but they ARE going to happen.

    Driving drunk is stupid, wrong, and a whole slew of other adjectives, but people do it all the time. Many times they hurt others because of it.

    Understanding that people are going to make mistakes is not the same as EXCUSING them of the consequences of their actions.

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  44. This is a terribly sad story. Kathy made so many excellent decisions--focusing on classwork, not having sex in high school, deciding not to sleep with a high school boyfriend she really didn't want to sleep with, and heading off to college.

    Then she makes one mistake--it's a BIG mistake, not using birth control--and that one mistake could have undone all the progress she'd achieved.

    If there are any men out there who still wonder, "why are so many women reluctant to have sex?" This is the reason. Sex almost never has negative consequences for men. But it frequently has negative consequences for women. Kathy got hit twice, once with the boyfriend who dumped her the moment after he finished having sex with her (I am appalled by the callousness of this behavior), and again with the unintended pregnancy.

    It infuriates me that so many people are irresponsible with birth control, but we can't put the blame entirely on Kathy. Half of it belongs to Todd. He didn't use birth control either.

    I'm glad Kathy got the abortion (and that Todd paid his share). I think every abortion is a tragedy, but it would be a worse tragedy for Kathy to allow this incident to ruin her life, and that's what would happen if she had a baby she couldn't support. Now she can put the awful event behind her, go on with college, get married to someone far better than Todd, and, when she's ready, have a baby in a far better situation. (And probably with a better genetic makeup! The world doesn't need more assholes like Todd.)

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  45. Poor Kathy. I feel for her entirely because I've been exactly there (minus the pregnancy).

    I don't think "stupid" is an accurate word to describe her inability to forsee the situation, but rather "inexperienced." I can't recall who said it above, but when you're a female and in a relationship and then have sex with someone for the first time... them turning around like a total asshole and completely ignoring you sends you looking for answers with them, even though it seems crazy. Excessive texts, emails, etc... Because you want answers and are looking for a reason for your first brush with rejection.

    It's ONLY experience that teaches you how to avoid these types of men and /or situation...and it hurts along the way.

    Also, as someone pointed out - it's not listed under her being "psychotic" because of the nature of the relationship and communication on her end wasn't the rambling idiodic babbling that what we've seen in letters from men that have been posted. I'm not saying that she *didn't* send them, but we haven't been presented with tem and, as someone else pointed out, SHE ACKNOWLEDGES that she made an error.

    Also, to the anonymous who was griping about her "leading someone on"--if the only reason the guy was in the relationship was for sex, then he was an idiot for staying in it. No woman or man has an obligation to have sex with ANYONE. People change their minds. Deal.

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  46. Also, as a couple of you have pointed out, responsibility for birth control is FIFTY-FIFTY. It's not solely the woman's responsibility.

    Additionally, I'm pretty sure that Kathy is well aware of the mistake she made and has had to deal with the consequences of it already, so harping on about it is redundant and vicious.

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  47. There's no way in hell I'd bash her for making a single mistake. She was intoxicated and didn't use a condom. It happens EVERY DAY. So she was one of the unlucky, very fertile ones. At least she had the common sense to realize that she shouldn't have to pay for the rest of her life for a single mistake. People say it's murder, but even murder only gets you 20-25, unless you're a total psycho.
    Anyway, she learned, she's moved on, good for her and her sisters for not being too afraid to stand up for herself.

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  48. It's stories like this that make me so happy that the biggest, stupidest 'mistake' I made in college happened to be with another woman...

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  49. To all the people claiming that the decision not to use birth control was stupid (which it undoubtedly was) I offer the fact that sex ed is so appallingly bad in this country that "I didn't come inside you" might actually have been believable as valid b/c to someone with no sexual experience. What people are often not taught is that even pre-cum can contain sperm, and that men often ejaculate a little bit before they're aware of it. So, yeah, stupid to not use a condom or the pill (particularly in light of STDs), but a mistake I've heard made before.

    And regardless of Kathy's behavior, the frat boy's still a MAJOR douchebag. It doesn't matter what the other person does; you're still responsible for your own behavior, and to hit it, quit, it, and then deny responsibility is a definite asshat move.

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  50. hellkell: That is classic ad hominem: discrediting what a person says based on who they are.

    eg, "Susan says the public school system is a failure. But she dropped out of school. So we can disregard her arguments." There is so much wrong with that argument as with every ad hominem argument: (1) it doesn't discredit the argument at all, (2) it's irrelevant, (3) the "reasons" can often serve as reasons the source has special expertise.

    A person's identity is irrelevant to the argument "We shouldn't excuse people from mistakes for irrelevant reasons, because freeing them from responsibility is unhelpful. 'College', 'everyone makes mistakes', and 'young adults are stupid' are irrelevant.". Whether a person makes mistakes is irrelevant to whether they should be excused. Discussing it anyway is ad hominem.

    Rather than make unfounded assertions like 'that's hardly ad hominem', you could show why that conclusion is true. Take a course in logic. You need it.

    Mack Truck: Suggesting it's okay or opposing someone who says that shouldn't be excused because 'everyone makes mistakes' is the same thing. It's not just an expression of understanding especially when everyone has the same understanding.

    People have this amazing ability to think and consider the consequences of their actions.

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  51. "Also, to the anonymous who was griping about her "leading someone on"--if the only reason the guy was in the relationship was for sex, then he was an idiot for staying in it. No woman or man has an obligation to have sex with ANYONE. People change their minds. Deal."

    And she certainly didn't need a boyfriend or his time. When do you think she promised sex? That's right! Don't make stupid promises and string people along. Deal.

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  52. Anon 2:19: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! No, really, best laugh I've had all day. Seriously, your deliberate obtuseness and bullshit obfuscation is adorable. I could just pinch you.

    Get you some reading comprehension in regards to what Mack said: people have an ability to think and consider consequences, but it's pretty well documented that young adults and teenagers DO NOT fully have that ability. Not only do they not have experience, but they have poor impulse control.

    As you like to say, Google it. Google is your friend.

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  53. You know why I sometimes feel uncomfortable reading about stalkers?

    Because I have known paranoid people and how distorted their world view is, and I have seen paranoid behaviour in otherwise normal people.

    Therefore, if someone tells me they've been stalked, unless they give me details and I feel I can believe them, (oh yes, these people are good at twisting things) my first instinct tends to be to take it with a grain of salt.

    This time, if what we're told is true (that they had a relationship, that they had sex, that he stopped talking to her aftwerwards, and that she got pregnant with him), this can hardly be called a case of harrassment (which similar behaviour could be in different circumstances). However, Todd's email...

    "I didn't get you pregnant, and you might think if you keep calling me or texting me that I will meet with you again..."
    "The more you text me the more you annoy me and I think youre going to be a stalker which you already are..."
    "...I will file harrasment charges against you..."

    One word. Paranoid.

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  54. hellkell: "it's pretty well documented that young adults and teenagers DO NOT fully have that ability. Not only do they not have experience, but they have poor impulse control."

    By that logic you should chalk up 'asshole' behavior in young adults and teenagers to inexperience and poor impulse control. Since you only do it on behalf of females, apparently that principle is sexist or you are.

    There's no point in mentioning it. It doesn't affect the point it's addressing: mistakes shouldn't be excused on poor grounds.

    It's cute how you project your retardation on me by persistently saying obtuse, irrational bullshit and giving me credit for it. You're the cute one, so go treat yourself to a reward. You earned it.

    Anonymous: You're distorting the sequence of events. She was confused and desperately trying to get his attention, then she finds out she's pregnant. Excuses don't apply retroactively.

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  55. At least she got the abortion. Anyone with her lack of intelligence shouldn't be reproducing! And he seems like an asshat, too.

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  56. This story is a very good warning for me. I am not a virgin, but I am heading to college this fall and I'm joining a sorority. This kind of confirms what I already promised myself..NO SEX WITH FRAT BOYS! Bad idea all around. Yeah yeah..I'm sure there are some nice ones or whatever..but in general frat boys are off limits. Even if they dont knock you up and act like assholes, they also love to talk about girls they hook up with (in other words..sleep with a frat boy and kiss your rep goodbye).

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  57. Why are people so damn eager to shed their virginity like it's some kind of burden anyway? There are lots of great ways to reach orgasm that don't run the risk of getting knocked up. What's wrong with those?

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  58. Oh, look: Anontroll can only (insufficiently) argue, never intelligently discuss. Telling, quite telling; likewise his assumption with every post here that he understands the situation better than anyone commenting - mmmmm, bet you're a real hit at parties. If anyone ever invites you, which is patently debatable.
    ***
    Fact: teenage brains' prefrontal cortexes have not finished developing and are not as capable of considering all consequences as a mature adult brain, due to unfinished myelination, among other factors - upheld by results of reputable studies.

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  59. Anon 10: 12

    I might have been bit quick with the asshat commen. I apologize.

    However, that the people frequenting this site, especially the women folk, are easier on women than men, was thouroughly disproved by the comments to One Bad Date.

    Other Anon

    Bashing someone when they have already realised that their actions were unwise doesn't make you virtuous, merely judgemental and mean.

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  60. I agree everybody makes mistakes, and I wholeheartedly agree that Todd is a completely narcissistic jerk. I am pretty sure Kathy won't make the same mistake again, and I don't want to harp on it... but I find it sad that nobody thinks a thing about killing an unborn fetus.

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  61. Kathy's right--REALLY FUCKING STUPID and irresponsible not to use birth control. Using an abortion as birth control? Nice job.

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  62. Scientists and researchers have actually proven in recent studies that teenagers think with a totally different area of their brain called the amygdala, which is a "more primitive" area of the brain linked with emotions, compared to mature adults. And, teenagers only begin to move their "thought processes" into the upper cortex of their brain in their early 20s, at which point they can begin to think more objectively and fully perceive the "consequences" of their actions.
    As long as a young person's thought processes are coming through their brain's amygdala, then their emotions will have an extremely strong effect on their actions.

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  63. Boy, it didn't take long for the trolls to show up. Forced-birther trolls too. They really WANT us to go back to the day when hospitals had an entire floor devoted to women who had had botched, illegal abortions.

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  64. Oh, and Todd is just like that creepy dude Parker on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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  65. Wow.

    Well Kathy was in a sticky situation esp when her relationship with Todd started to deteriorate.

    The point at which she was incessantly calling or texting him, when he started to pull back would have been the opposite of what she needed to do when she saw him withdrawing.

    I can see how .. even though he is an a**hole, how this communication of neediness would send him in the opposite direction.

    Kathy on the other hand, learnt a very valuable lesson and will hopefully find a guy who treats her with respect and dignity.

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  66. To the Anon harping on about Kathy stringing her HS boyfriend along.

    Yes, it was shitty of her to make promises and then not follow through on them. It was stupid of her to promise her virginity to someone in the first place.

    At the same time, if he just wanted to be with her for sex, he could have easily gotten it elsewhere, modern High Schools aren't exactly known for chastity, and the entry makes it abundantly clear that there were plenty of easy girls roaming the halls.

    So maybe he doesn't regret being with her and not having sex. In any case, the fact that he wasn't featured today means that he obviously manned up and got over it, which is more than I can say for you.

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  67. Kathy,

    Yes, you made mistakes. You also own up to them and accept responsibility, which is more than a lot of people do so those who are ragging on you can go take a long walk off a short (and very tall) cliff.

    *****

    Anon 5:38, shove off and shut up. I'm opposed to abortion and it breaks my heart to think that Kathy may have had one rather than carrying the baby to term instead of putting it up for adoption, but I'm not going to judge her because 1) I don't know her or what it's like to have an unwanted pregnancy so I'm definitely in no position to be passing judgement, 2) it would be hypocritical because I've made Very Stupid decisions that have brought unwanted consequences, 3) that's God's place, not mine, and 4) Kathy makes no bones about the fact she made Very Stupid decisions and she regrets what she did. Castigating serves absolutely no purpose. What's done is done.

    All you're acheiving with your vitrol and nastiness is to reinforce the idea that people who oppose abortion are judgemental, uptight, angry, holier-than-thou, and unfeeling. No one is going to listen to you if all you spew is hate and anger and accusations. It's amazing how far you can get when you're extending respect and love instead of judgement and condemnation, and treating others as the thinking, feeling people they are. If you call yourself a Christian, do everyone a favor and go back and read the Gospels and really take note of how Jesus treated others. He was angry with the religious leaders and friends with the loan sharks and hookers, not the other way around.

    *****

    It baffles and saddens me that there's this attitude that one's v-card is something to be gotten rid of ASAP. Why? What's the rush? Contrary to popular belief, remaining abstinent does not mean you're a prude or have sexual hang-ups. I have religious reasons for waiting until I get married, as well as I have no desire to risk getting pregnant or getting STDs. I have enough regrets attached to guys I've dated. Sleeping with them...*shudders* I am Very Thankful that's not on the list as well. Being abstinent is also a great way to eliminate guys like Todd.

    In an idea world, you could tell teens "Don't have sex" and they wouldn't. This isn't an ideal world so we need to make sure that those teens who do choose to get it on have correct information about sex, pregnancy, and birth control (including abstinence). As the disaster of abstinence only education has proven, kids are going to make the beast with two backs regardless of if you tell them about condoms and birth control pills or not. If you don't, however, you're going to see more girls getting pregnant and all the fallout that comes as a result (including more abortions). People who are anti-abortion need to get their heads out of their rhetoric and start using their brains to see that teaching teens about sex, pregnancy, and birth control will *reduce* the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies.

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  68. Okay, to everyone saying that teens under-developed brains are excuses for their behavior: I am rather offended.

    I'm 19. I'm a virgin. I've never done drugs, I've never gotten drunk. I've never made any idiotic decisions that I KNEW would fuck up my life.

    I know at least five other people ranging all the way up to 21 years of age who are the same.

    And you know what? We all had those same pressures at the same level of development.

    This isn't a biological issue. This is an issue of someone deciding to go out, get drunk, and get groped in some frat boys room in order to make herself into someone else.

    And she KNOWS she was stupid, I recognize that. She knows she made mistakes, and I hope to all that is good that she never makes these same mistakes again.

    I'm sorry if this seems off the subject, but it's pissing me off listening to a bunch of adults belittle my ability to recognize mistakes before I make them, and taking away my right to own up to them.

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  69. Hoppytoad79, that was very well put.

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  70. AbrashTX

    So I was not the only one thinking of Parker...

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  71. Anon: 7:23: studies show you and your friend are in the minority, really. I'm not being snarky when I say that.

    Anon 3:27: who called me cute and sexist: there's your ad hominem, kindly suck it. I don't just excuse womne's behaviors here, which youd' know if you weren't a jackass-come-lately to these parts.

    Anon who thinks abortion was used as birth control: please, please, please fuck off with your forced-birther nonsense. Pretty please. I'm reasonably sure that Kathy didn't use abortion as bc, but as a means to not bearing a child in poverty who wasn't WANTED. Why can't you assholes ever get that straight? The day I see you all taking in all these unwanted babies is that day I shut the fuck up. For real.

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  72. Well, that was typo-rama. Excuse my pissed off typing. Idiots do that to me.

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  73. I'm with anon 7:23. She was stupid and knew it, I feel no pity for her... Honestly, teens aren't 'incapable' of making smart choices. Sure, it's harder for us, since our brains aren't fully developed, but let's face it. People KNOW that things they are doing at dumb, especially having sex without protection. They just don't care enough, or they ignore the potential consequence for temporary things.

    Hell, if we let parents abort any kids who turned out particularly stupid, we'd have less bums and criminals in the world. Maybe abortion should be legal for fetuses up to 5 years old? Could help with population control, too.

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  74. Aw, shit, it always comes down to blaming the woman for her sexuality, doesn't it? Kathy wanted to fuck, leave it at that. Sure, she could have made a better choice on the fly, but who among us hasn't made a mistake?

    And no, you really can't think the consequences through till the end. I'm sure someone will correct me, but it's my understanding that the pre-frontal cortex isn't "set" if you will, until about age twenty-four or five.

    I'm all for retroactive abortions in a lot of cases, especially after reading the comments here.

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  75. Where the fuck are these fucking trolls coming from? Jeez.

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  76. No, our brains aren't developed fully, I understand that. I just can't find it in me to excuse anyone for their shit just on that point when our society is as developed as it is.

    And no, this isn't about her sexuality. This is more about that fact that she knew she was going to lose her virginity IN ADVANCE and didn't have the forethought to get on the pill.

    I don't care who she does what with or how often.

    I hate the idea of abortion. I hate that innocents have to suffer because someone decided that their desire to fuck was more important than someone else's life.

    But that doesn't mean I'm not proud of her for making a tough choice. I just hope that this experience taught her something, and she's a better person for it.

    - Anon 7:23

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  77. Our society may be developed, but that doesn't mean our brains have caught up. If it did, we wouldn't be reading this blog.

    I have so many things I want to say in regards to your "innocents have to suffer because someone decided that their desire to to fuck was more important..." comment that I'm not sure where to begin. Let's just say that you and I disagree strongly.

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  78. poor kathy :( todd needs to be hurt, badly.

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  79. SweetZippinChip: Seriously consider no sex. You're joining a sorority. Tool. We don't need need your tool genes propagating in the pool.

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  80. this is the first time i've ever bothered to read the comments here, and probably the last. this shit is supposed to be amusing and (some of) you people are here acting like total idiots. i'm embarassed for you. really.

    ps weasel, you're awesome.

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  81. Which brings us back to the title of the original blog: why women hate men- assholes like this. They're everywhere. Now if only I could get turned on by the decent ones...

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  82. "Fact: teenage brains' prefrontal cortexes[...]"
    "Scientists and researchers have actually proven [...]"
    Irrelevant. We're talking about excusing mistakes and holding accountability, not penalizing or criminally punishing or people's capacity to err. And I can spot irrelevance just as well as anybody. Doesn't require expertise, douchebag. Red herring is red.

    "Bashing someone when they have already realised that their actions were unwise doesn't make you virtuous, merely judgemental and mean."
    Welcome to the internet. No one cares.

    "Well Kathy was in a sticky situation[...]"
    lol sticky

    "Anon 3:27: who called me cute and sexist: there's your ad hominem, kindly suck it. I don't just excuse womne's behaviors here, which youd' know if you weren't a jackass-come-lately to these parts."
    Nah, bitch. Ad hominem is an attempt to discredit an argument by discrediting the source of that argument instead (like we already discussed). Does saying you're cute discredit you? No. (If you'll recall, it's a direct reference to your calling me cute. Hypocrite cutey.) Does pointing out your sexism discredit your argument? I don't even know your argument or if you have one. If you have one, then probably not. If you don't have one, then certainly not (impossible).

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  83. "Anon 5:38, shove off and shut up. I'm opposed to murder and it breaks my heart to think that Kathy may murder rather than not murder, but I'm not going to judge her because 1) I don't know her or what it's like to have an unwanted person so I'm definitely in no position to be passing judgement, 2) it would be hypocritical because I've made Very Stupid decisions that have brought unwanted consequences, 3) that's God's place, not mine, and 4) Kathy makes no bones about the fact she made Very Stupid decisions and she regrets what she did. Castigating serves absolutely no purpose. What's done is done."

    "All you're acheiving with your vitrol and nastiness is to reinforce the idea that people who oppose murder are judgemental, uptight, angry, holier-than-thou, and unfeeling. No one is going to listen to you if all you spew is hate and anger and accusations. It's amazing how far you can get when you're extending respect and love instead of judgement and condemnation, and treating others as the thinking, feeling people they are. If you call yourself a Christian, do everyone a favor and go back and read the Gospels and really take note of how Jesus treated others. He was angry with the religious leaders and friends with the loan sharks and hookers, not the other way around."

    fix'd

    "As the disaster of abstinence only education has proven, kids are going to make the beast with two backs regardless of if you tell them about condoms and birth control pills or not."

    Like developing adolescents shouldn't have sex on birth control?

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  84. Good luck Kathy. That guy is the filthiest twat... *angry* I would have been the sorority sister carrying blunt object >.>

    And, I'm certainly not going to yell at you for not using bc. It was a mistake. It happens.

    And Kathy, you will find better, sweeter, more fulfilling partners. Ones that you can trust. It won't always be a happy ending, but you will feel secure with them.

    This guy was a con artist and a douche nozzle.

    *hugs Kathy*

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  85. oh, and being ignored?

    That will ALWAYS piss off a woman and the guy in question will recieve texts, emails, chat messages, phone calls, and eventually novella emails. It drives us nuts. It's much simpler to be direct and tell us the problem. You will be annoyed to death until you spit the fucking thing out.

    How do I know? Just dumped a douche nozzle of my own. And I gleefully got to tell him to fuck off after he started sniffing around me for another round of that shitty merry-go-round.

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  86. Poor Kathy! I'm so sorry she had to go through that... what an asshole!

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  87. I just wanna say that he's a bastard and deserves to be miserable.

    A friend of mine got pregnant because her boyfriend thought he couldn't get anyone pregnant. Turns out, he based that thought on the fact that he hadn't already. Idiots, the lot of them.

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  88. Anon 11:12

    Sup, dawg. I herd u liked mudkips. Seriously, the "fix'd" and a lot of the other comments you left here are giving you away. I understand 4chan is down, and it's a shock to be among normies, but that's your problem, not ours. You're not going to get the shitstorm you want.

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  89. Kathy, whatever happens, you'll be okay. I was 19 when I got pregnant, by a guy who left me literally ten minutes after I took the test. I wasn't a virgin, but I didn't use birth control because I thought I was about to start my period.... heh, yeah. I'm sorry you have to go through this.

    Two years later, I have a LOVELY little girl who is the best kid any mom could hope for. Whether you keep the pregnancy, put the baby up for adoption, or choose to have an abortion- I hope whatever you do brings you the most peace.

    And trust me, if you keep the baby, nail the asshole for child support. Keep those emails when he asks for visitation, too.

    If you wanna email me about how to be an unwed mom, feel free.

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  90. "I was 19 when I got pregnant, by a guy who left me literally ten minutes after I took the test. I wasn't a virgin, but I didn't use birth control because I thought I was about to start my period.... heh, yeah. I'm sorry you have to go through this."

    "Two years later, I have a LOVELY little girl who is the best kid any mom could hope for."

    Oh no it breeds! Assholes and fucktards propagating their genes!

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  91. From Anonymous at 5:38...
    WOW, Hoppytoad79… Who is full of anger and vitriol here? Which one of us sounds nasty, you with your huge judgmental dump on me? Or myself, who only said “does nobody think its sad?”

    I did not castigate or cast judgment on anybody! Only pointed out that nobody thought it was sad.
    I rather imagine Kathy thinks it is sad. I am not holier than thou, but you sure come off as holier than you think I am. Get a grip.

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  92. I love how people say her repeatedly getting in touch with him to tell him HE MIGHT BE A FATHER SOON is now somehow "stalking". Because of course if she'd had the baby or not had the baby without his input and/or "permission" and he'd disagreed with what she did he'd be screaming about how either "she killed his child" or she was a "gold digger" (for his wealthy hot-plate equipped apartment, I guess.)
    Poor Kathy. Girls get sold a lie about how romantic their first time will be. I hardly know anyone for whom it really happens like that.
    As for why her calling and texting him after he quit replying, in her confusion at someone with whom she'd had what she thought was a momentous experince be compared to male stalking, I hardly think it can be called the same thing. Every day women get killed by men who just can't take no for an answer. Just read your local newspaper. But women don't generally do the same thing to men - the fear factor simply isn't there. So at most her "stalking" was annoying - except, of course, that petty little point that she was trying to tell him important information, like HE'D GOTTEN HER PREGNANT. It isn't like she didn't have any reason at all to get in touch.

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  93. It *is* exceptionally amazing to see how much of the "blame the woman" phenomenon occurs in this discussion. Again, responsibility for sex is FIFTY-FIFTY.

    Also, with regards to the "throwing away virginity" comments - placing large amounts of importance on virginity is stupid. Regardless of what most religions say, virginity is not a big deal, nor is losing it. No matter when you do it (even whether it's before or after marriage) it's going to be unpleasant and uncomfortable. I'm so tired of all the sacredness that's placed on such an inane act. You're not "throwing it away" any more than you'd be "throwing away" stupidity by learning, inexperience by wisdom, etc. The mythical value of the hymen (theoretical or literal) is outdated and meaningless.

    Also, I would like to point out to those who've pointed out the variation in brain development in adolescents: thank you. I would, however,also like to point out to everyone that even adults - in their twenties, thirties, and forties - make the same mistake frequently. It's a mistake. By it's nature it is automatically stupid or irrational or accidental. Blaming her for it - no matter what age she is or isn't - is idiotic.

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  94. Errrrrr, I only got halfway through reading this shizz before I got annoyed at some of the people giving it mouth about her not using birth control whilst implying that the dickhead was totally blameless.

    When did it become 100% the woman's job to deal with birth control? When did it stop being the case that a man has to willingly stick it into a woman with the intent to blow his load for a pregnancy to happen?

    Unless Kathy had managed to do what only single celled organisms can and split a bit of herself off in order to create a baby, it was as much his fault as hers, and he should be taking EXACTLY the same amount of flack for not saying "hey, I better put a condom on".

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  95. mr. mrs. fangfaceJuly 9, 2009 at 9:46 AM

    (Okay, I haven't read all of the comments on here, so I'm probably repeating crap that's already been said. :P )

    I do have to agree with whatever previous poster it was on the point that not everyone makes stupid mistakes in college/life/whatever. I don't agree with the majority of the dumbass shit that my college peers do. Never have, even when I was a dumbass high school kid. I certainly don't approve of the dumbass stuff Kathy did, and it seems that she doesn't now, either. So w00t. Points for learning. Some people never do. From what I can tell from the post, it doesn't seem that ever Todd will.

    *stops flagellating the deceased equine*

    *wanders off to eat some chocolate*

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  96. Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the killing of another human being. Embryos are embryos. They're masses of cells. They are essentially parasitic organisms with the potential to become human beings... but they aren't humans quite yet. When people miscarry at two months, do they have funerals? No. They toss their panties and try again.

    I hate that anti-choice people resort to the same arguments time and again. You guilt trip with words like "murder" instead of backing anything with any kind of verifiable fact.

    Kathy: I hope you make the right choice for you and your body. Todd is a jackass for leaving you in a situation that can be emotionally crippling, and I hope you truly believe that.

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  97. Ugh, Kathy should have used bc, sure, but Todd should have as well. Freck.

    I also have to agree that writing this off as "oh well, college!" is pretty stupid. Don't make us college grads that weren't idiots look bad. Sure we did some pretty dumb things in our boredom (duct tape someone to a wall? Count me in!), but it never involved doing something as idiotic as getting piss drunk and having sex without protection.

    So how about we not write it off as "college behavior" and just give them a hearty golf clap?

    PS

    I have zero respect for sororities, but reading this story has given some some shred of hope. Roving band of angry females? HELL YEAH!

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  98. Raven: 'I love how people say her repeatedly getting in touch with him to tell him HE MIGHT BE A FATHER SOON is now somehow "stalking".'
    See Anonymous. Excuses don't apply retroactively. Revisionist fuck...

    Dreamfolorn: "I got annoyed at some of the people giving it mouth about her not using birth control whilst implying that the dickhead was totally blameless."

    That's not going on. Not mentioning the douche implies nothing about his responsibilities. No one here is saying you should wear seatbelts. Doesn't mean they don't believe you should.

    From (1) "everyone who cares about their welfare should use birth control" follows (2) "she should use birth control". And that's what they say, since she's neglecting her welfare, she submitted this, and everything is told from her point of view. 'If I were you, I would have used birth control.' they think and write.

    From (1) also follows (3) 'he should have used birth control'. If he submitted this and it came from his point of view, everyone would be saying 'You're a manipulative douche, and you should have used birth control, you irresponsible faggot!' instead.

    Show me a case where someone is implying he's free of responsibility. I'll show you you're make a false presumption.

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  99. Anyone who plans THAT far in advance to lose their virginity and doesn't think to include birth control in that plan... Is stupid. No one's saying the douchebag guy was smart either, but honestly? Who the hell plans sex that far ahead and never once stops to think about bringing a condom/getting on the pill? Or remembering to ask the guy if he has a condom? What an idiot.

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  100. A+ reading comprehension for some people. Particularly the comprehension of the part where Weas said:
    "Now, Kathy acknowledged in her letter the tremendous stupidity of not using birth control and realizes she'll probably get bashed for it in the comments, but I'm just throwing it out there so you guys know."

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  101. The comments are starting to annoy on me.

    People continue to oversimplify and twist other people's arguments.

    And fuck these 4chan "LOGIC FAIL!" assholes. It isn't always about logic. And most of us are just sharing our opinions not making an argument.

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  102. "And most of us are just sharing our opinions not making an argument."
    And everyone else disagrees with those opinions on logical grounds.

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  103. WTF, he's in a fraternity, big red flag.

    A party boy is only looking to use you as a party girl.

    Kathy's an idiot. Sometimes karma is a jerk using you as a sperm bucket sometime. She blue balled her high school boyfriend.

    What did she expect a player to change for her, while he's still in college?

    If he screws you with a condom and you're not married. Assume he's going to leave your ass.

    It's happened so many times before already it isn't exactly a new plot.

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  104. G.H.- I used to have some chocolate-scented genital powder, I wish I knew where it came from so I could restock! It was a gift from a friend when I was in middle school, so I'm happy to say I'd lost the tin by the time it was relevant :-)

    Poor Kathy! I'm so glad her sisters stuck up for her like that, so far it's the only pro I've seen to being in a sorority but that kind of support is really priceless!

    Sex ed in this country is appalling. I worked at a middle school for three years and knew 3 girls who dropped out before their 13th birthdays to have babies because "he promised he wouldn't cum inside me" and "Coke was supposed to kill the sperm" and "you can't get pregnant underwater!" I wish I was kidding. I seriously hid safe-sex messages in every possible "teaching moment."

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  105. WTF are you people doing feeding the limp-dick 4chan trolls? STOP.

    Srsly. I've said this before on this blog, and it bears repeating: these basement dwellers are here because it's the only place they can get women to pay attention to them. They don't care about logic or arguments. They don't care about making a point, other than the fact that they have entirely too much fucking time on their hands and they can't get laid. They're humping your cyber legs because it's the most action they'll ever get. Shake them off. Maybe they'll get real jobs and move out of their mommies' basements.

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  106. Sorry to hear what happened. And the guy is such an ass.

    Mistakes happen though, we all make them.

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  107. Anonymous said...
    SweetZippinChip: Seriously consider no sex. You're joining a sorority. Tool. We don't need need your tool genes propagating in the pool.


    *Insert massive eyeroll at troll*

    OMG you are sooo right. I am stupid for going to a UNIVERSITY and joining a sorority (which selects you based on your grades and looks). God forbid a smart, pretty girl should reproduce. I should be more like you and drop out of community college after a week and work at McDonalds for the rest of my life. You're right.. maybe gain 300lbs and stop worrying about my appearance. You must be a really jealous person. It must suck to be ugly and lonely. I actually feel sorry for you. Poor ugly little troll.

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  108. Anon 7:23 --- well said.

    I think someone else mentioned this above: while she planned to have sex with him in the future, she didn't take any precautions in advance for herself not only to prevent pregnancy but STDs as well. This just struck me as odd when she was (based on what info we're given in the post) so careful in high school.

    That isn't to say that she doesn't have my sympathy -- things that seem obvious in retrospect aren't always so at the time, and she has taken responsibility for her part in it. Pity Todd only manned up under pressure after the fact: he (a)shouldn't have been a massive douchewaffle, and (b)should have put on a fucking condom if he didn't want a Douchewaffle Jr. I wanted to punch him @ the "I didn't come inside you ergo no responsability for me!" comment. Does anyone really fall for that line?

    In any case, I'm glad that Kathy had such great sorority sisters to help her through this, and I wish her the best in future. I don't think I can express my wishes for Todd in a public forum.

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  109. @ amy.mangos: my "does anyone really fall for that line" question above was more rhetorical than anything, but then I read your post and got an answer anyways.

    Coke? Really? Wow.

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  110. "I am stupid for going to a UNIVERSITY and joining a sorority (which selects you based on your grades and looks)."
    Yup, you are.

    Any dipshit can begin an undergrad education nowadays--it's the new high school! Only the shallowest tools among them join sororities/fraternities. The better ones stay out, get experience, do undergrad research, get published, pursue ambitious goals, etc.

    "God forbid a smart, pretty girl should reproduce."

    Smart? You're a motherfucking comedian! Keep your genes out of the pool.

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  111. I see why she waited until out of high school to have sex. Because she knew diddly squat about contraception.

    I hope she did not keep the child and hence will still be able to fulfill her dreams.

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  112. "The most shallow people join fraternities."

    I've paraphrased this, but I have to say I feel the same way. I think Chris was a asshole- not met a single frat boy who wasn't.

    That said, I'd be reluctant to say Cathy was innocent on this one. She talks about her highschool as though she was the only intelligent person there (I bet she thought she was). And anyone who doesn't enjoy Cahty's standard of living has to be destined for welfare.... she was so worried about her brush with foodstamps that she set her priorities straight.


    1. Break up with boy friend right befor school starts so I'm free to find Mr. Right.

    2. Morn the loss of Mr. Wrong for all of two minuets (Does he deserve sex. No, but I'm going to go wild and say she knew she was going to dump him months before she did it and that didn't stop her from accepting gifts. And she waited until the summer was over to do it. In essence she was using him until college started. )

    3. Start searching for Mr. Right.
    4. Get drunk often.
    5. Join Sorority so to ensure lots of oportunity to get drunk.
    6. Date Mr. Right, focus on when going have sex, and whilst knowing I indend to have sex, never seek birth control. (Must have been too busy drinking)
    7. (My favorite all time rationalization) I'm saving myself for Mr. Right and the way I want to pop my cherry is while drunk! It's so much more memorable that way.
    8. Wait all of two months after starting college (how many dates with Mr. Right, most of which spent in a drunken stupor)

    8. Stalk boyfriend who dumped me after popping my cherry (because Frat boys are just nicest human beings on earth)

    9. Haze new pledges and puke on the lawn (Morning sickness is a bitch when you've been drinking)

    10. Get abortion.

    11. Having had a close brush with the becomming a welfare momma I show up to most of my classes (except when I'm hung over)

    Does it matter that Cathy is a Sorority girl? Yes it does because everyboyd knows sorority girls are a certain kind of girl. Does that mean she's anymore likely to lie about her virginity? No, but she's just as lickly as any humanbeing to change the facts to make put themself in a better light. The admissions about stalking and not using contreception, are done on purpose. If if I take responsibilty for A and B, then "I" appear more trustworthy.

    What I want to know about are instances B, C, D, E, F and G- the ones you don't want us to know about. The things you held back on purpose because of how they would make you look. For exmaple, how going to college to better one's self and the actual college part like classes, is never mentioned. Parties and Alcohal are exact the choices people who want to better themselves avoid- because the cost of failure is so high.

    Cathy painted herself as the only capable person from her highschool. An angel in a Sorority...

    Again I think Chris is a duche, but the idea that all college kids are stupid, is a bunch of BS. Lots of teens go into the workforce right after highschool. They don't get drunk off thier ass and party all the time. They go to work, pay bills, and even rais families. An most of them aren't on welfare. Maybe they would get get drunk and party all the time if they could afford it, but that proves my point. Being stupid is a luxuary- a result of living in a state with few conseqences- its not a natural state of being. "But they're young," isn't a reason, its an excuse.

    Carma bit Cathy in the ass.

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  113. Don't worry girl. We all get one 'freebie'. That douchebag doesn't count. No really. A walking jizzbag like that does not count.

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  114. The sheer hypocrisy of the first part of this post is shocking. Frankly, if Cathy's still looking down on her old, constantly-getting-pregnant classmates after she chose the night she wanted to have sex and then didn't even bring contraception she hasn't learned much from the experience. Yes, the guy was a total douche and needs putting in his place, but that's no excuse to focus entirely on his asshattishness and ignore her own part in this mess. I just can't see how someone can pop a smug "I was different and put sex off" line to defend themselves after they've so clearly screwed up.

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  115. She wasn't acting like a stalker--this guy led her to believe that he wanted to have a relationship with her, and was the first person she ever slept with. It's not strange for her to try to contact him again--it would be strange if she didn't. Even if she realized after a day or two that he wasn't going to respond, she was obviously upset and I can't blame her for continuing to try to contact him, even if she knew it was futile. It's not like she was sneaking into his room at night or threatening him or something. The stalker-guys written about in this blog usually persue women who have made it clear that they are not interested, which is completely different from this situation. He broke her heart--the men who stalk women in this blog don't have broken hearts, they have fucked up perceptions of reality.

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  116. "Any dipshit can begin an undergrad education nowadays--it's the new high school! Only the shallowest tools among them join sororities/fraternities. The better ones stay out, get experience, do undergrad research, get published, pursue ambitious goals, etc."

    Right. Because getting experience, doing research, pursuing ambitious goals... all of that is mutually exclusive with being pretty and smart and making friends on that basis. Sounds like someone's grapes are a little sour. That's adorable.

    "..shallowest among THEM [my emphasis]..."? I'm sorry you couldn't get into an institution of higher education. It's time to get off your high horse and get back into your auto shop. I think one of my peers needs you to fix his Lexus.

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  117. No bashing from me either. The only good things to come of this: Prince Charming is out of her life, and her sorority sisters actually stepped up to help her out. The latter is so wonderful that it actually made my day better--not something I expected from a blog titled "Psychotic Letters from Men"!

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  118. mr. mrs. fangfaceJuly 10, 2009 at 7:04 AM

    But Anonymous 7:08, feeding the trolls is so much fun! How else can I feel superior to other people? :O

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  119. "Right. Because getting experience, doing research, pursuing ambitious goals... all of that is mutually exclusive with being pretty and smart and making friends on that basis."

    It pretty much is if you're the type that joins a sorority.

    '"..shallowest among THEM [my emphasis]..."? I'm sorry you couldn't get into an institution of higher education.'

    We went over this before. You're not smart. Case in point: you think that means something. You presume stupid shit like it's truth. Spoiler: people often get undergrad educations (new high school), and most of them don't join fraternities/sororities.

    "I think one of my peers needs you to fix his Lexus."

    Oh, the Lexus daddy paid for? Way to make your own future. Spoiled, rich brats.

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  120. mr. mrs. fangfaceJuly 10, 2009 at 10:43 AM

    Really? Two posts in a row?

    *sigh*

    Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics....

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  121. For the douchenozzle who said this woman was "using abortion as birth control"... fuck you. Actually, don't fuck you. It's called taking responsibility for what happened. Situations like this are why the morning after pill needs to be made more readily available. Thinking a woman is taking the "easy way out" by having an abortion is misogynist in the highest degree. A man will NEVER have to have pregnancy as a "consequence" of sex- insisting a woman be "punished" becase SHE dared to have sex is a fucked-up double standard. Do you honestly think a woman would rather have a surgical procedure than use birth control? Things happen in the heat of the moment... or condoms break... or birth control fails.

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  122. I'm sorry. Your inability to speak eloquently and directly is a result of my miseducation? That's very cute. Please review cause and effect.

    Newsflash, kiddo. I grew up in poverty and was raised by two uneducated migrant workers. I went to a top 25 university for undergrad and am going to a top 25 MBA program. My money is mine.

    And I fail to see how most people getting undergrad degrees without joining a fraternity or sorority is even the slightest bit relevant.

    I'm sorry if sorority girls wouldn't look at you. That's not my fault, nor do I care. Your gross generalizations are plenty indicative of your insecurities and lack of social grace.

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  123. Bravo to TheRealistMom - couldn't have said it better.

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  124. Wow. Look how much this grew while I was away! LOL

    Raven-Go back and read the blog again. It claims she was "stalking" him BEFORE she knew she was pregnant. And I'm sorry, but is the implication on your post here that a man CAN'T have a "momentous experience" themselves, and if they want to know why they've been broken up with they better just suck it up? Sorry, but if I knew I'd impregnated a girl and was frantically trying to get in touch there are a lot of women who would turn to me and say it's none of my business. And label me a stalker.

    Yes, women get killed by their male stalkers and it's horrible. And drunk driving accidents happen all the time. I don't see anyone wanting to ban alcohol. By the same logic, all men who act a little off during a breakup are potential stalking assholes, not just the select few.

    Anonymous 6:03

    Point taken. But also a lot of men would respond the same way to a woman who slept with them and just up and left. They would still try to contact even if they know it's futile.
    And how do we know that some of these "stalker men" on here DON'T have broken hearts? Not ALL the men reported on this blog threaten or sneak into their rooms.

    In short, NEVER generalize, and try to see the other side. And I still feel bad for Kathy and contempt for Todd.

    Anon 10:12

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  125. "I'm sorry. Your inability to speak eloquently and directly is a result of my miseducation?"
    Making unfounded presumptions is. Them = objective pronoun. It's direct, basic language. No implication. Education and critical thinking fail.

    "I grew up in poverty and was raised by two uneducated migrant workers."
    Then you joined a sorority. Way to aim high.

    "am going to a top 25 MBA program"
    lol MBA

    "I am heading to college this fall and I'm joining a sorority."
    Another sorority chick or a liar.

    "And I fail to see how most people getting undergrad degrees without joining a fraternity or sorority is even the slightest bit relevant."
    Recovering semi-lucid thought after sucking off frat guys and having a hangover takes time. Reread it later.

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  126. I have to completely agree to what midnightsteel said. Hypocrisy at its best.

    And, well - she can be grateful she didn't get anything worse than an unwanted pregnancy from unprotected sex. Like, for example, syphillis. Herpes. AIDS! Remember that highly infectious, DEADLY virus you can get from unprotected sex?
    I'll never understand how people can risk their lives, especially when she clearly PLANNED to have sex.

    They were *both* stupid as hell. And Todd should brush up on his biology and look the term "pre-ejaculate" up which can in fact impregnate a woman.

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  127. "It's called taking responsibility for what happened. [...] Things happen in the heat of the moment..."

    Oh noes, I accidentally created a person! I know sex makes babies, but I was in the heat of the moment and couldn't think. Things happen, y'know? We'll take responsibility for this and kill it. See? I'm a responsible person!

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  128. Sororities are evil! They believe in community service and sisterhood and getting good grades! Evvviiiillllllll!

    Hahaha my goodness. Someone is a little butthurt becuase shes too ugly and stupid to ever get into one.

    And of yes, Universities are the new high schools. Not community colleges... Haha Anyone can get into Ivy League schools..I'm sure!

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  129. Anonymous said...
    "It's called taking responsibility for what happened. [...] Things happen in the heat of the moment..."

    Oh noes, I accidentally created a person! I know sex makes babies, but I was in the heat of the moment and couldn't think. Things happen, y'know? We'll take responsibility for this and kill it. See? I'm a responsible person!


    I agree!

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  130. "I am heading to college this fall..." etc? Not me. Given your horrendous display of what you consider logic, I am not surprised that you assumed all other anonymous comments are mine. Idiot.

    It is not an unfounded presumption if you misspeak. You misspoke. This is your fault, not mine. Further, I am not, nor was ever, a member of a sorority. My school didn't even have the standard Greek fraternities or sororities. However, I'm also not bigoted against individuals who join these organizations (but possibly against the jackasses who think they're better than someone because of an indefinite association). I may have joined had I gone elsewhere or if the current members of the frats at my school not been completely socially defunct. (You'll note that my comments, 7:02 and 10:53, do not state I was in a fraternity or sorority).

    Your argument is that individuals who join fraternities or sororities are dumb. Your statement that most people who do undergraduate work do not join a fraternity or sorority is irrelevant. What's the conclusion? How is this related? It's not. It's cool; I understand. If I said something irrevocably stupid, I would start demonizing the evil women who drink and have sex too if I was a failure at anything resembling intelligence. Clearly women who take to the evils of sexual liberation and alcohol are stupid.

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  131. You can't kill something that's not alive. It's a mass of cells with the potential to live life. I don't count my age beginning at conception. I've been alive 23 years, not 23 and 3/4.

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  132. All the guy wanted was sex. He didn't care about her. Why is that so hard to understand? Well, her first mistake was having sex with the guy. I guess she was clueless.

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  133. thanks for sharing such a raw experience

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  134. ...wow, that is rough. Yes, Kathy made some dumb mistakes, but nothing truly terrible--just the kind of thing many college students do. I'm so sorry that her first time ended so very, very poorly.

    Seriously, though, you people need to stop responding to the trolls. They're all just nursing their hurt egos over all the mean ol' women who wouldn't respond to their clumsy, drooling attempts at romance.

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  135. "Not me. Given your horrendous display of what you consider logic, I am not surprised that you assumed all other anonymous comments are mine. Idiot."
    See "Another sorority chick or a liar." What was that referring to? Idiot.

    "I am not, nor was ever, a member of a sorority."

    Then "Newsflash, kiddo. I grew up in poverty and was raised by two uneducated migrant workers. I went to a top 25 university for undergrad and am going to a top 25 MBA program. My money is mine." is irrelevant and you post irrelevant shit. No one asked. No one cares.

    "It is not an unfounded presumption if you misspeak. You misspoke. This is your fault, not mine."
    No, no. You misread. Go back and prove your claim is undeniably true. Then post your argument here. You can't. Lrn2read.

    People can be irrational. The most irrational among them is you. Oh look! Them refers to people and I wrote it. I guess I must be a robot now! Cool.

    "Your statement that most people who do undergraduate work do not join a fraternity or sorority is irrelevant."
    Still drunk off that frat guy jizz, I see. I still have faith in you. You'll figure it out. Hint: what is the unfounded presumption?

    "If I said something irrevocably stupid, I would start demonizing the evil women who drink and have sex too if I was a failure at anything resembling intelligence. Clearly women who take to the evils of sexual liberation and alcohol are stupid."
    Who said there's anything wrong with alcohol and sex? You have prejudices.
    --
    "Sororities are evil!"
    Indeed. Pointless.

    "They believe in bullshit and bullshit and lies!"
    Corrected.

    "And of yes, Universities are the new high schools. Not community colleges... Haha Anyone can get into Ivy League schools..I'm sure!"
    SPOILER: Most universities are not Ivy League, and some Ivy League schools aren't universities.

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  136. Anonymous: Thank you!

    I taking full responsibility all myself. No. One. Else.

    Maybe I should get a medal or run for a pageant...

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  137. These new anon trolls aren't even funny, thye're just nasty. I never thought I'd miss Luis.

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  138. Yes...please find more entertaining anon trolls. You're all fired, go bore people with Identities elsewhere.

    Does anyone know where Luis is?

    As for the student "body". Diamonds aren't a girls best friend. Condoms are.

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  139. Weas! You really need to set your blog up like FHoTH where you have to have an ID to post. I think you may have a troll infestation problem

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  140. Weasel - "She missed his cologne, she missed his smile, she missed her period, she missed his laugh, and she missed his ....." I read that a few times. Fantastic build to the story.

    I'm smart and ambitious and am from a small poor town that I couldn't wait to leave behind so I definitely identified with Kathy. One thing I've learned is just because I'm smart and ambitious doesn't mean I'm always emotionally mature or wise. That takes experience and reflection. I certainly have dated some losers. Honestly though if PLFM and WWHM was around when I was in college, I might have cut down on my loser numbers. I might have recognized the tell-tale signs.

    Good luck to Kathy. Keep up the good work Weaz!

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  141. And I said I was neither another sorority chick nor a liar. So.. you're just wrong.

    My daddy didn't buy me a Lexus. Most of my friends who went to college didn't have their fathers buy them one either. It's relevant because your sweeping generalizations about people whose lives are better than yours apparently isn't strictly related to sororities or frats. Your insecurities must be so much fun for you.

    Your use of "them" is either poor English or your own misspeak. Lrn2write. Twat.

    "Nurse your hangover... drunk off some guy's jizz" -- paraphrased. Those were your attempts to demonize me or individuals in sororities. Women. Who enjoys alcohol and sex. Speaking of lrn2read?

    Sweetheart, seriously? Just kill yourself. You're embarrassing yourself.

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  142. "And I said I was neither another sorority chick nor a liar. So.. you're just wrong."
    Fail. Did it say you? Lrn2read.

    "My daddy didn't buy me a Lexus."
    See "I think one of my peers needs you to fix his Lexus.". Irrelevant. Red herring. Lrn2read.

    'Your use of "them" is either poor English or your own misspeak.'
    Now you're just retarded. Still no proof of something easy to show. Lrn2read.

    "Those were your attempts to demonize me or individuals in sororities."
    Demonize? No. Ridicule? Yes. Who said there's anything wrong? You. Way to project your prejudices.

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  143. I love the fact that this guy thinks that just because he didn't cum in her that she couldn't have possibly gotten pregnant. Don't guys realize that precum has sperm in it?

    That said, I had sex in high school and didn't get pregnant because I ALWAYS used a condom with my bf. I know she doesn't need to hear it but it's kind of disappointing that after waiting that long she didn't use any kind of protection.

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  144. I'm ambivalent on this. Todd, obviously, is a dick of the stereotypical frat boy variety, but Kathy isn't exactly a sympathetic angel either.

    She obviously had a history of getting drunk and hooking up, even if she kept her V-card... She sounds like the typical "sorostitute" (as they call them at my school).

    So, stereotypical frat guy impregnates stereotypical sorority girl in a drunken hookup, with neither of them being intelligent enough to A) use a condom, or B)get the morning after pill after realizing they didn't use a condom. Those pills are available quite cheaply over the counter now, and they are also immediately available at university health centers.

    Everyone makes mistakes, it's true, but it IS disappointing that neither of these high school grads at this "prestigious university" were schooled in basic birth control methods usually taught once a year in Health class. Oh yeah that's right, Abstinance Education totally works.

    Kathy should count herself lucky that her frat boy hookup at least had sex with her consensually, as the frat boys at my school are also notorious for date rape. Also, that he paid his half, AND she was the one who got to stay at the school while he had to transfer...

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  145. @ dites moi ou pas - I'm glad someone in the comments questioned why Todd didn't have responsibility for birth control too. I know the reality is that the consequences fall mostly on the woman, but that doesn't excuse Todd's lack of common sense either.

    Anyway, sorry you had to learn the hard way Kathy.

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  146. All I have to say is hooray for her sorority sisters! I'm glad she found friends like that, who would go en mass to stand up for her against a jerk.

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  147. Todd says "Even if I were to believe you were pregnant it couldn't be me (I don't believe you just so you know but I think we both know you aren't) For the sake of argument I did not come inside you. So how could I have gotten you pregnant?"

    You can disagree all you want and not believe her and invoke "the sake of argument", but the bottom line is - it's a simple thing to determine paternity these days. No one has to take anyone's word for anything. Facts don't care if you "believe" them or not - they're still facts.

    They were both irresponsible, in my opinion. Not that it's any of MY business.

    And all the "logic" arguments are mind-numbingly boring. No one cares and no one is impressed.

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  148. I had a problem with this line...

    because everyboyd knows sorority girls are a certain kind of girl

    I'll come clean. I'm a sorority girl. In fact, I was president of my sorority. And yes, sororities are exclusive. Grades, personality, abilities, etc all play a part. But believe it or not, not all sororities select the "oh my god I'm in college I want to get drunk and sleep with lots of guys" type girls because our sister's actions affect our own reputations.

    While acting as president of my sorority, I traveled abroad (and no, Daddy did not pay), did work study, waited for sex until I was with the man I'm now married to, graduated with a 3.6 in Biology with in minor in writing, performed original science research and was published, competed on an intercollegiate team, worked full time over all breaks (including spring break), volunteered at the local school, attended all of my sorority sisters concerts, plays, games, and events.... all without hazing pledges. Most sororities and fraternities don't think it's fun to beat the shit out of your future brothers and sisters. You hear about the bad ones in the news... those of us who behave are ignored.

    I was busy. But I am PROUD of my sisters and my sorority. After graduation every single one of my pledge class of eight girls went on to grad school. I had a management job within six months of graduation. A study performed by a NON-GREEK senior at my school showed that the average GPA of graduating 'greeks' was higher than that of non-greeks.

    My sorority had fun, yes. We held parties and did silly girly things. But we also performed community service and hosted charitable events. We were there for each other as we were needed- like Kathy's sisters were there for her. When one girl had a stalker, at least two of us escorted her at ALL TIMES until the guy was caught. Sororities are more than what the movies make it out to be. Some are bad, yes. But don't make them all bad. Just because you join a sorority it doesn't mean you are a complete idiot.

    Oh yeah... and my husband? In the top six of his class of 300, with a double major in chemistry and biology, currently studying to be a doctor, and the kindest, most loving and understanding guy I know... he was in a fraternity. Go figure.

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  149. I too am offended at the idea that kids are somehow incapable of making intelligent decisions, particularly with regard to sex. I don't find taking responsibility for one's choices to be age-specific; I've met fifteen year olds that clearly understood the concept, and 50 year olds that wouldn't recognize it if it bit them in the armpit.

    I'd like to point out that we don't KNOW she had an abortion, and frankly, I hope she didn't. This is why I'm against abortion (except in cases when the mother's life is at risk). Pregnancy is a potential consequence of sex. There's no way around that. And easy access to abortion makes it way too easy to act as though it's not a consequence.

    Let me be clear that I'm not talking specifically about Kathy here. She didn't ask for sympathy, and I applaud the fact that she recognizes her own behavior as foolish. I find it sad that it ended this way, on a number of levels. Hopefully she will use the experience in a positive way.

    But when you drive a car, you know that there is a risk. You can choose not to drive a car, though that's not a terribly practical way to live. And when you get behind the wheel, you assume the risk. You can do everything possible to avoid an accident (not drive drunk, be cautious, etc) but if you get into one anyway, you don't just get to hit the "undo" button. You have to accept that one of the potential consequences of driving happened to you.

    Abortion essentially does allow you to hit the "undo" button, and I think that's unfortunate. I understand that there are deeper implications at work here and it's a complicated issue, but 99 times out of 100, if someone is willing to take responsiblity for their sexual choices, there is no need for an abortion.

    Plenty of people get pregnant in high school or college and manage to make it work. So I'm sure Kathy could as well. She didn't "ruin her life"; she made a dumb mistake that she acknowledges (and for which her age is no excuse... she was smart enough to avoid this stuff in high school so I don't buy that when she got to college she arbitratily began making dumb mitakes) and she should accept the consequences and move on with her life.

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  150. "If there are any men out there who still wonder, "why are so many women reluctant to have sex?" This is the reason. Sex almost never has negative consequences for men. But it frequently has negative consequences for women. Kathy got hit twice, once with the boyfriend who dumped her the moment after he finished having sex with her (I am appalled by the callousness of this behavior), and again with the unintended pregnancy.

    It infuriates me that so many people are irresponsible with birth control, but we can't put the blame entirely on Kathy. Half of it belongs to Todd. He didn't use birth control either.

    I'm glad Kathy got the abortion (and that Todd paid his share). I think every abortion is a tragedy, but it would be a worse tragedy for Kathy to allow this incident to ruin her life, and that's what would happen if she had a baby she couldn't support. Now she can put the awful event behind her, go on with college, get married to someone far better than Todd, and, when she's ready, have a baby in a far better situation. (And probably with a better genetic makeup! The world doesn't need more assholes like Todd.)"

    WORD!!!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSS

    Why is everyone soooooo willing to crucify Kathy?

    1) She came from a small town, and has had NO life experience.

    2) Guys use the "pulling out" excuse ALL THE TIME. It's how my sister & her husband ended up with TWINS!!! For all we know, she tried to get him to use a condom, he reassured her with an "It's ok, baby" and in the heat of the moment, she was like, "OK...."

    Please tell me when logic and rational decision-making come into play when a young person is 18 and in a complete hormonal crazed weasel frenzy. I'll call CNN.

    For once, a sorority did something helpful. The Greek system at my first (small) college was like that, fun, supportive and unconcerned with the shallow nonsense that seems to be the norm at big universities. I wouldn't EVER be part of the Greek system at a big place!!

    If I HAD to, I guess I'd say:

    Kathy: 14% FAIL, qualifying as "learning experience."
    Todd: 948392384% FAIL, qualifying as "Supreme Douchebaggery."

    Don't dads take their sons aside and give them lectures about "Responsibility and Manners," and that other one called "Her First Time Is a Big Deal, But Will Likely Suck, So Be a Goddamn Gentleman"?

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  151. "Pregnancy is a potential consequence of sex. There's no way around that. And easy access to abortion makes it way too easy to act as though it's not a consequence."

    If you have ever had an abortion, you'd never ever EVER think that.


    Kathy should've gone for some Plan B the morning after. That would've been the best course of action.

    But I would counsel almost EVERY girl in college who got pregnant to abort. Especially someone who's trying to swim upstream from her backwoods upbringing. Education is your ONLY ticket out.

    And for the nasty people who keep having abortions because they simply won't use other birth control, well, I don't want those people reproducing anyway.

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  152. "1) She came from a small town, and has had NO life experience."
    "Especially someone who's trying to swim upstream from her backwoods upbringing."
    Prejudice against small towns.

    "It infuriates me that so many people are irresponsible with birth control, but we can't put the blame entirely on Kathy. Half of it belongs to Todd."
    Responsibility doesn't work that way. Someone else's failure doesn't diminish yours. You're entirely responsible for protecting your health and welfare. Only when both participants entirely fail in this situation (neither has birth control) is irresponsibility obvious. She's entirely to blame for her failure.

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  153. Dude: don't have sex with a virgin. There's a reason a girl is a virgin, and that reason is almost always something that will bring you grief. When girl tells you she's a virgin, "but you're the one," it's time to beat feet, whether it's true or not.

    The only exception is if you're a virgin too, and both of your ages are appropriate to your local culture.

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  154. electric electric, 11:53

    "women only do this when do that when there's a relationship or they feel somebody cared for them"?

    You are so completely full of shit. I had a girl once who painted her bedroom the same color as my car. She use to follow me around, until I'd have to speed off, park in an anonymous alley and hide out at my brother's house. I never dated her. Never had any interest in her, nor did I lead her on.

    As for calling excessively or texting excessively, almost every woman I've ever dated has done this. One girl was especially bad, and when we broke up she would park outside of my apartment,I'd see her car there at 6am as I left for work, and she'd duck under her dashboard so I "didn't see her".

    There is a huge double standard here. When men obsess they are creepy, when women obsess they only have "a crush". When men call and text excessively, they are "controlling abusive assholes". When women text and call excessively, they simply care. There are emotions involved after all when women do it and men of course don't have any feelings, so they're just assholes when they do it.

    My God, this website is ridiculous. A bunch of women complaining about men all the day long, as if women aren't guilty of many of the same things. Yet any time a poster on here questions a woman's motives in doing these same behaviors, the excuses come out.

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  155. "My God, this website is ridiculous. A bunch of women complaining about men all the day long, as if women aren't guilty of many of the same things. Yet any time a poster on here questions a woman's motives in doing these same behaviors, the excuses come out."
    Truth

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  156. therealistmom, stfu.

    kathy, u murdered that baby if u had an abortion.

    nice way to kill a life to save ur own stupid selfish skin. nice way to shirk responsibility.

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  157. Dumping her current boyfriend. "I told Chris I would have sex with him once I graduated but when it came down to it, he wasn't the guy I wanted to lose my virginity to," explains Kathy.

    Kathy made a promise to Chris and broke it.
    Todd promised nothing to Kathy.

    Maybe this story should focus more on Chris. Maybe he was hearbroken. Couldn't sleep. Couldn't eat. Maybe he slit his wrists.

    Who cares. Men don't count.

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  158. "My God, this website is ridiculous. A bunch of women complaining about men all the day long, as if women aren't guilty of many of the same things. Yet any time a poster on here questions a woman's motives in doing these same behaviors, the excuses come out."

    Yet you limp-dick channers keep coming back. But hey, if you want to get poked with sticks and mocked, fine by me. Squeal, piggies. SQUEAL.

    "Who cares. Men don't count."

    Your violin is in the mail. Play that sad song when it arrives, cupcake.

    Channers fail at trolling. Be amusing. Or GTFO.

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  159. "Channers fail at trolling. Be amusing. Or GTFO."

    Please don't feed the trolls. That Channer probably THRIVES off the negative attention.

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  160. I did a stupid thing in college- his name was Alex.

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  161. I did several stupid things in college, it's OK.

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  162. Kathy,

    It's sad your first encounter had to turn into a pregnancy. I know the pain you put yourself through by not using contraceptives. The very same thing happened to me many moons ago.

    I would urge you not to abort the baby. While one would think that would be an easy way out, it's actually not. It causes much more pain and grief that haunts one continually through the years. (It took me nearly 25 hours to finally move beyond it.) Save yourself all that pain by choosing another option.

    If you don't feel you can honestly support this child, then give him/her up for adoption.
    Adoption was not a choice that was presented to me. I regret that decision to this day.

    I wish you all the best as you come to grips with all of this.

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  163. Another thing to consider is that there is a culture of shame around birth control, for women. As in 'only whores plan ahead.' I'm not agreeing with the sentiment, I'm thinking of the small, East Texas town I lived in when I began high school. The public conception of sex and planning gets better, but in small towns and some areas, asking sex ed type questions and buying birth control is the kind of thing which can ruin your reputation, which means that people behave very poorly toward you. (And, even more sadly, sometimes you are told that sex is less 'fun' when you make it all about planning.) It's possible that she may have gotten conflicting or very poor information about pregnancies or STIs, and like many kids (google your own studies), had decided that the information seemed faulty and to ignore it or figure it out, herself. Hell, the only reason I knew about any of this in high school is because I was a complete and total nerd and sacked the public libraries for information, reading everything from Grey's Anatomy to the Joy of Sex. Not that I didn't fool around in the mean time, and often.

    It's obvious our frat boy had bad information. Or is really, really, really a douche.

    Also, due to the load of crap women get about our first times, she may have thought that birth control wasn't necessary because he promised he was clean and she knew she was, or some such crap. And sadly, because she might have thought thier love for one another meant nothing bad would happen.

    I know I've heard some doozies from men since I became sexually active about why they shouldn't need the birth control or to go get an STI screening first.

    Not everyone comes to sex fully understanding what can happen (you can tell people the consequences, but that's very different from the person experiencing them), and people do get swept away. It's not like she's not aware of it.

    It's entirely possible our girl here decided to do it drunk because she was afraid she would be too anxious, or because she'd been told that made it better, or because she thought he would like it better if she was drunk (because she was inexperienced.) It's amazing what crap women do if they believe the guy loves them and he asks them to.

    My sympathies, even though I do have something of a kneejerk predjuce against sororities (although that one seems pretty supportive) and fraternities, lie with Kathy. Kathy, if you're reading this, I'm sorry that this was your first time. I hope that no matter how you continue through college and life, you find someone who treats you better.

    No one that geniunely loves you insists on endangering your health so that they can get off. And no woman deserves to be treated like they are disposable.

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  164. In our school we didn't get any kind of sex ed until Jr. year and by that time half the class was knocked up (small town). Then they showed a woman giving birth (she never made a sound, let alone screamed) and had an adult teen mother come tell us how hard teen motherhood was..wearing a fancy suit and driving up in a very nice car. She never mentioned the stuff I later found out, how HARD life was, how much your child and yourself were denied. How far back it set your life (to the tune of forever in most cases). This is why I would NEVER speak to a school about teenage motherhood, I made it too good to go back and make the impact some others would make.

    I remember looking at that woman and thinking "doesn't seem to have worked out too badly for you" (note I was already pregnant at the time)...didn't for me either, but that's because I worked damn hard.

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  165. She got what she deserved.

    She dumps the "nice guy" boyfriend because he isn't sexy enough, even though he probably loved her.

    She wants to have sex with the "dreamy" guy not realizing that dreamy guys are bombarded with women. There were guys in college who slept with different girls every week...nice "wholesome" girls. Then the girls couldn't understand why they got blown off after a while (he was too busy nailing other girls).

    She got what she wished for.

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  166. What did the guy do wrong. Some slutty acting sority girl shows up at frat parties and makes out with frat boys (and what kind of imbecile thinks she's going to find a nice guy at a frat party?), so then she hooks up with our hero, makes out with, strings him along for a few dates, then finally gives up the booty. Because unwanted pregnancy was such an important concern for her, she made sure not to use birth control (thank you, Abstinence Only education), and the dude dumps her after he bangs her. That's not nice, but that's life. Nobody owes you a relationship just because you've had sex with them. Of course the guy was a douche just looking for sex. He was a fratboy. What the hell did she expect? The only thing stupider than fratboys are the sorority girls who sleep with them. Fucking a fratboy at a frat party, then being surprised when he disappears afterwards is like being surprised that a tiger has spots. Only a moron would expect anything else.

    So then she can't take a hint, and she starts stalking and harrassing him (sound familiar, PLFM readers?), then, she tells him she's pregnant. He doesn't believe her. I'm not sure I do either. What proof do we actually have? He says he didn't come inside her, and I don't think it's impossible that she was lying.

    In any case, after being confronted and convinced by her friends, he agrees to take responsibility and follows through. What's the problem? I guess I don't understand what anybody thinks he SHOULD have done. Was he supposed to MARRY her? what did he do wrong. He took responsibility (either that or he got suckered into ponying up cash for a fake abortion), and it's over.

    I'm not sympathetic to most of the assholes talked about on this blog. I'm on the side of the woman like 99.99% of the time, but this chick is just a self-absorbed whiner who wants to blame somebody else for her own stupidity.

    By the way, why is it that the "we all make mistakes" defense is fine for this girl, but not for the guy? He was just as young, wasn't he? Why isn't he entitled to make mistakes too?

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  167. My god. All the slut-shaming, the sorry excuses for anti-abortion rhetoric, the repeated notion that a woman is obligated to have sex with a man... It all makes me a bit ill.

    Sororities might not be such a bad thing (although I wouldn't know personally; they don't have them in universities north of the 49), but being 'prettier' does not automatically make you a better person. Nor does being in one automatically make you a drunken 'slut'. (Whatever that means. I thought this was the 21st century? My bad.)

    An abortion, performed during an early stage, cannot be defined as the 'murder of a human life'. It is A life. It has the potential to become human life. It is not there yet. Abortions done in the second and third trimesters are done when there is something seriously fucking wrong with the pregnancy. So no, Kathy is not a murderous sinner and I congratulate her for making what she felt was the best decision. (As for adoption: that isn't the magical cure-all to unwanted baby woes either!)

    There was nothing tying her high school boyfriend's leg to her, forcing him to be with her on the vague hope that they would one day have sexy times. He was informed outright that at the very least he'd have to wait. He could have found some other means to get his rocks off. He didn't. This is hardly Kathy's fault.

    The difference between Kathy's and Todd's mistake was that hers was borne out of simple ignorance and we can likely presume that being informed of the consequences, she won't repeat them in the future. His, however, came not just from ignorance but from callousness. There is no indication that he's actually learned not to be a dick from it.

    Jesus.

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  168. He might be a "dick", so what?

    I bet she tells all her friends and they sleep with him just for fun.

    When I was in college a girl accused a guy of date raping her. Not officially just to his face - she was upset about it and he felt bad too...for a while. But I guess she didn't mind cause she slept with him willingly later. Then she told all her friends. They slept with him too.

    Nice guys (her high school sucker boyfriend) finish LAST.

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  169. As for the "but her high school boyfriend" CHOSE to stay with her, blah blah.

    She tells him that she wants to "wait". So he figures "that's respectable, I'd be a dick to push it". Then he finds out that she meant wait for some "cute stud" who couldn't care less about her, not "wait" for him or some handsome Romeo who actually gave a rats ass about her.

    She turned him into a loser, when all he was doing was being a nice guy. Now this guy she slept with can say to him, "Yeah, you held her hand and bought her stuff and tried to be a great boyfriend?...I didn't do any of that. I just slept with her. I even came in her mouth! Who do you think she liked more? ha ha ha".

    You wonder why guys don't like being gentlemen? Cause they get turned into emasculated wimps by these hos.

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  170. LOL @ the last couple Nice Guys. Projecting, much?

    Kathy can bang whomever the fuck she wants, she is not indebted to the high school guy because he was 'nice.' You, I, or any man for that matter aren't promised sex or a relationship because we're 'nice.'

    On the rare occasion that I'm nice, I'm nice because I genuinely want to be. I don't feel sorry for high school boy, because he wasn't promised anything for (hopefully) being a courteous human being.

    "You wonder why guys don't like being gentlemen? Cause they get turned into emasculated wimps by these hos."
    You guys are martyrs, and I despise martyrs. I'm glad they choose to suffer because that's all I want for them. I hope more women 'use' you tools.

    You should be nice because you want to help, or because you care. Not so you can get your imagined brownie points later;

    "Oh! I held out her chair! That's got to be at least a tit!"

    "Finally, she shut up... two hours of 'blah, blah blah,' Those panties better come off.."

    Dicks, I'm a fucking cynic and I understand that.
    /rant over

    I'm also 'channer.' Mudkips for everyone!1!!!11 lulz!1!

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  171. You're actually making my point for me.

    I didn't say he should be nice to get in her pants later. But what fool wants to be nice only to have some other guy who gives her nothing get in her pants? He doesn't want to be the "sucker" or "loser" or "brownie pointer" you described, so he instead won't give her anything unless she puts out.

    Then women complain that there aren't any "nice guys" who won't demand sex. That's right, because they don't want to be made fools out of.

    As for the high school boy, he wasn't promised anything, of course not. But that makes any boy who buys things or gets feelings for a girl a fool unless he's getting laid. Again, women can't complain, they make the situation what it is.

    This is really a response to the "well she can learn from her mistake" but the college guy won't so he's an asshole. He has nothing to learn. He gets all the p*ssy he wants. Worst case he has to pay for 1/2 an abortion.

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  172. "You wonder why guys don't like being gentlemen? Cause they get turned into emasculated wimps by these hos."
    You guys are martyrs, and I despise martyrs. I'm glad they choose to suffer because that's all I want for them. I hope more women 'use' you tools.

    Yeah, I'm a martyr. You don't even know me you internet blow hard douche bag. Like you have any success with women at all douche bag.
    And like I go around doing women favors and walking all over me, you don't even know me dickhead.

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  173. Anyway her previous boyfriend didn't have a "right" to her.

    She doesn't have a "right" to have this guy act nice to her. Put out AFTER he's nice, not before. ha ha.

    Lesson learned for both of them. Don't be kind to sluts.

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  174. Wow. Just all kinds of wow on the last few comments. Sometimes I forget that some men think they have to trick women out of sex, that there is apparently some kind of 'exchange rate' going on where on a guy is never nice to a woman because, you know, he's polite. He's only nice because he's laying claim to sex.

    Maybe it's the whole being a woman thing, but seriously--if she wants to fuck you, she will. If she doesn't, she won't. There's a whole lot less game-playing, for most women, than that.

    Being nice is a good start, because if shit goes wrong (the condom breaks, the birth control fails, etc), we'd like to be with someone who will not act like a douche, freak out or otherwise make it worse. That's a huge turn off. As is the whole 'she's obligated to fuck me' thing.

    Hell, even your right hand isn't obligated, if you know what I mean, let alone another human being. Speaking from the estrogen side of the street, if you are concerned about finding a partner (notice I didn't say sex doll; for that you're on your own), try chilling out about the whole 'I have to get laid' thing and start acting like there's more to a woman than a vag. We like that kind of thing, what since we notice when we're being treated like a vagina who happens to talk.

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  175. I think you're misunderstanding what I said.

    I like women fine. I get along with women, espcially married women at work great, as there is no sexual tension.

    I don't consider women vaginas who can talk at all.

    All I"m saying is that if a guy is attracted to a female, sexually, he needs to be very careful about being too "nice"..about being her "friend". Women like nice guys, but they don't sleep with them. They just don't. So if you're chatting with a woman you're "nice" too and you are sexually attracted to her...how are you going to feel when she tells you she met a cute guy at a party last night and shagged him. You're going to feel like an emasculated loser. Just a fact. You're good enough to be her friend but not sleep with her. Not a good feeling. Get your feelings out there, if she rejects them move on.

    As for her high school boyfriend, he may have been a jerk, or maybe he "waited" because that's what decent guys do. He figured she wasn't ready for sex and that's fine. He was being a "gentleman". Then when she is ready for sex, the guy who was nice to her for years (because he actually liked her not because he though he'd get laid eventually) gets the heave ho for a cute guy who doesn't give a shit about her. That's got to make the hs boyfriend feel like a sucker, don't you think? He loves her but mr. college frat guy fucks her. Sweet.

    Lesson learned for him. Girls after high school can't really use the "I'm just not ready for sex...just be my faithful boyfriend for 2-3 years and maybe I'll eventually have sex with you." No guy would fall for that.

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    1. My husband was and is a nice guy, I liked that about him, I slept with him, we're together 7 years later and love each other. Stop projecting your insecurities on other people. Some women do like and sleep with "nice" guys. Just because you or those you know have had no luck doesn't mean it happens to everyone.

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  176. If this guy was a jerk to her, then she was a jerk to her hs boyfriend. "He had no right to demand a vadgepass!". OK, she had no right to expect to be treated as anything other than a loser/slut who isn't very good in bed. She has no right to demand a "relationship pass" or even a "friends with benefits" pass or a "please have sex with me again I promise I'll be better this time" pass. So screw her.

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  177. I think you should post her e-mails to him as a "psychotic letters from women" epistle.

    She sleeps with this guy and thinks she has a relationship owed to her? On what planet? Get lost, slut.

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    1. Maybe you missed that whole part about them being in a relationship and about him feeding her all that shit about how he cared about her. Maybe you should stop being such a judgmental twat.

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  178. I know it’s a stereotype, and I know it’s prejudice, but I can’t help it. Whenever I find out a guy was in a frat in college, it lowers my estimation of him considerably. Even if I’ve known the guy for awhile and heretofore thought he was ok – if I find out he was in a frat, I find him a little bit icky. I suddenly don’t feel so safe around the guy. I start wondering if he ever date-raped anybody, or took advantage of some passed-out girl at a party, or sweet-talked his way into a girl’s knickers then made her out to be some big ho-bag joke around the frat house.

    I know – prejudice, right? But it’s not a deliberate thing, it happens on its own.

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  179. Here's one more anon vote for "she's a dumbass."

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  180. I won't jump on the 'stupid for not using birth control' bandwagon. I will say it seems awfully unusual for him to hold out that long to get in bed with her. They went out several times, it looked and seemed like a relationship to her. He acting like he was genuinely interested and cared about her.

    That was an awful lot of effort for him to go to. Either he was really, really into the idea of her as a challenge, or he really got off on taking her virginity and dumped her when the deed was done. My first was like that too, except I didn't dump a boyfriend for the guy and we used birth control.

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  181. PROTIP: Not using birth control is always stupid.

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  182. I lost my virginity to a frat boy (who is still with me, one year later) and it was the best decision I ever made. He still frets about the pain I was in. Don't trash all the men in fraternities.. just trash the boys. Not all are douches.

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  183. I'm calling bullshit on this one, cause unlike some of the other stories you only got her side of this story without a shred of "evidence".

    Kathy seems to me like a really insecure and clueless person, and as we all know, people like that tend to be full of shit.

    How do you know she was actually a virgin? Isn't it possible that she was lying about being pregnant, or about Tod being the father? Hence his "why are you telling me"? I mean, she does seem a bit psycho at one point in the story.

    And the end of the story where Tod "comes clean" and whatnot could all be in her head.

    Just saying....

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  184. Well, it happens, it's sad and messed up, but there are a million more girls that go through the exact same thing.

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  185. i haven't met a sorority girl who wasn't a vapid slut

    i've met a few who were smart, but oh lawdy were they vapid and slutty. manipulative as hell too

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    1. A little bitter, eh? What's wrong, none of them wanted to suck on your emaciated cock? Or were they all just prettier than you? Poor boo.

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  188. So she murdered her baby because her fake relationship went south. I hope she's having a horrible life.

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    1. Hmmmmm....right.
      Well, I think it's unfortunate your mother didn't abort you
      Little Miss Judgy Judgington.

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    2. Hmmmmm....right.
      Well, I think it's unfortunate your mother didn't abort you
      Little Miss Judgy Judgington.

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  189. so, yeah she's pretty stupid but honestly, millions of people make the same mistake. the point is that he was a douche about it.

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